Did I Cross the Line?

[00:00:00] Speaker A: And I told you today that you look lovely. [00:00:02] Speaker B: Aw. So nice. [00:00:03] Speaker A: You look lovely tonight, my love. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Thank you. That's very kind. [00:00:07] Speaker A: Sorry you didn't feel well this weekend. [00:00:09] Speaker B: I know. [00:00:10] Speaker A: Feeling better now. I am so glad, especially since we're in the same room together. [00:00:16] Speaker B: I'm breathing on your microphone. [00:00:18] Speaker A: I did watch some of the super duper tonight. [00:00:20] Speaker B: You did? [00:00:22] Speaker A: I did. Actually, James was live streaming, so I did a little commentary, a little color commentary. Not anything exciting or fun, just score seven two two, you know, type stuff. But yeah, a lot of fun. Fun to watch them. I left early so we could record the podcast tonight. We do a pretty good job, I think, you and I, of not having this interfere with our week. It's 09:00 at night and you know, we'll record it. And the editing's pretty easy, but it is tough to stay ahead of the game. [00:00:50] Speaker B: Say that again? [00:00:51] Speaker A: It's tough to stay ahead of the game. This week we are going to tackle a topic that is, it's not a controversial topic, but controversial things could come up during this topic. [00:01:06] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:06] Speaker A: And I did actually, for a rare, you did shift in plans, share with you the topic about an hour ago. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Yes. [00:01:15] Speaker A: So you have some idea what's coming. I don't think there's nothing mind blowing here, but it's just kind of fun. Yeah, it's kind of fun, but also serious and just depends on sort of people's mentality. And you know, I'm a big mentality fan, right? I'm a footwork, accuracy, angles, mental guy. That's my fam. And so this is the mental side. But this is the, what I would call it the fundamental side. People I play against might not call it the fundamental side. [00:01:38] Speaker B: It depends on how well they know you. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:41] Speaker B: If they don't know you well, they think you're a big jerk. [00:01:43] Speaker A: I think even the people that know me well, some of them don't like it no matter what. But that's okay. What we're talking about here is what's okay and what's taboo. Here's an example. You got a nasty Nelson. [00:01:53] Speaker B: Someone you do. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Exactly. So that was great. Cause with John Hurley, remember I said, what's your favorite shot? Oh, no, it was, no, it wasn't John, it was Brent past. And I said, he's like the nasty Nelson. No, he said the ATP. And I said, the nasty Nelson. Do you like it? And he's like, yes, I do too. The topic isn't nasty Nelson. The topic is, is it okay to nasty Nelson someone. [00:02:15] Speaker B: No. [00:02:18] Speaker A: Well, there you have it, folks. Thanks for listening. It's been two minutes. We're out of here. But not just nasty Nelson. There's an array of topics that we want to talk about. So, for instance, this happened tonight, which excites me. It was 1110 two. [00:02:37] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:02:38] Speaker A: So we're in a close game and it's a super duper night. So those that don't know what super duper is, it means that we are playing for top, top dog in your super duper group, or your duper group, meaning there's four players you play double round robin with, you know, so you play twice with each other player. And whoever wins the night gets a super duper winner shirt. [00:02:56] Speaker B: Yes. I mean, there's a t shirt on the line, so of course you're in your heart. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Absolutely. So it's 1110 two, which means it's a super close game. They get it on the serve, they win the game. So guy says the score 1110 two starts to swing. And before he connects with this, pedal time out. [00:03:12] Speaker B: And I'm sure they learned that from you. [00:03:15] Speaker A: I am definitely known for doing it. [00:03:17] Speaker B: Yes, you are. [00:03:18] Speaker A: I also am known for faking it when they think I'm gonna do it, which is extra fun to watch them kind of like do this weird thing with their palace or trying to hit the ball. [00:03:24] Speaker B: I've been party to that. Yes. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Is that okay? [00:03:28] Speaker B: No. I mean, I know it's allowed, but. [00:03:31] Speaker A: The rules allow for it. [00:03:32] Speaker B: It's allowed, but it's still. [00:03:35] Speaker A: But the rules allow for it. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Yes. I mean, I'm a people pleaser, so I would. I would have to be really mad at the person to be able to do that to them. But, um, you do it often. [00:03:45] Speaker A: It's a strategy. [00:03:46] Speaker B: It is. [00:03:47] Speaker A: You want to break their rhythm. You want to get in their head. [00:03:50] Speaker B: Yep. [00:03:50] Speaker A: And it's just pickleball. So it's hardly going to really ruin anyone's life if you call time out on a, you know, I don't know. [00:03:56] Speaker B: If you don't get the super duper shirt, that could ruin your life. [00:04:02] Speaker A: Funny side note about the super duper shirts. [00:04:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:04] Speaker A: This is your first one to plan this coming Wednesday. [00:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And I don't care if I get this shirt. I want to go out and play pickleball. Cause it has been a long time. [00:04:12] Speaker A: To call time out on you. [00:04:14] Speaker B: I'm sure they will. It's been a long time since I've. [00:04:18] Speaker A: Played like two weeks. [00:04:20] Speaker B: I know. It's forever because you've been injured and I've been busy. [00:04:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:25] Speaker B: I'm studying for a continuing ed class. [00:04:27] Speaker A: Injury update. I'm still injured, probably January 1, but we'll see. I'm going to test it. Cause my boy sees her in November. [00:04:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:33] Speaker A: All right, here's the thing, the shirts I was talking about. The first round, if you win, you get a purple shirt. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Nice. [00:04:39] Speaker A: Second time, if you win, you get a blue shirt. Third time, if you win, you get a green shirt. Fourth time, if you win, we only have. Well, they're always green. But fourth time, if you win, you get a yellow shirt. And we only have one yellow shirt winner. This is our 6th super duper. He's won four out of the last five. [00:04:53] Speaker B: Who is it? [00:04:53] Speaker A: Josh weaker. [00:04:54] Speaker B: Is he back? Is he back to playing? [00:04:56] Speaker A: No, he's out still. Oh, he and I are on the. Okay, so we need to, we need. [00:05:03] Speaker B: To speak to your. [00:05:04] Speaker A: I think injuries is another area we can talk about. [00:05:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:07] Speaker A: You know, somebody's hurt. [00:05:08] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Okay. To take advantage of that weakness, I. [00:05:11] Speaker B: Would say in a life or death situation, I would. But again, I wouldn't do it necessarily in pickleball. I mean, I always feel to hear I've done it. Let's not pretend like I'm super innocent. I've, I've definitely done it. Usually if I'm playing against you, I'm going to do it because I want you to run for it. And I know you hate that, like. [00:05:32] Speaker A: So you lob on me. [00:05:33] Speaker B: I lob. Or, you know, a tight angle or those. [00:05:38] Speaker A: I don't hate. Those are just great shots, actually. Love the lob. Don't get me wrong. We'll get back to that one in a second. Cause that's on the list. [00:05:44] Speaker B: Of course it's allowed. It's just, er. [00:05:48] Speaker A: So is it allowed to pick on the weaker player in a, in a doubles match, no matter whether it's mixed or men's or women's? [00:05:54] Speaker B: Of course it's allowed. And I'm usually that person that they pick on. [00:05:58] Speaker A: Is there a time when it's not allowed or not? Or when it's not frowned upon? [00:06:02] Speaker B: You know, I want, I want to interview this guy. I met him through work with pickle play and he is a pickleball player that plays in a wheelchair. And what he told me is that he loves it when people underestimate him and he loves playing with higher level players because they're going to hit it to him and he thinking he's the weaker player, which he is, and he'll admit that, but he has learned how to adapt and how to be a good partner to the advanced player and how to set them up. [00:06:43] Speaker A: So it's a super duper night at the. At the church we play at, and on the very top court, which means the best of the best that we have in our group that signed up for this night. The four players are playing, and one of them comes to me after a game two, and he's like, man, if they just would hit me the ball. And I'm like, you're playing for a shirt. Ain't nobody hitting you the ball tonight. They think you have a chance to win. [00:07:06] Speaker B: Right? [00:07:07] Speaker A: We took odds over here on the sidelines. Everyone's passion, cash on. You're the probable winner. [00:07:12] Speaker B: I really hope that's not true. [00:07:16] Speaker A: True enough. [00:07:19] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:20] Speaker A: I'm not. I'm not admitting to gambling here on the air. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Okay. I'm glad. [00:07:25] Speaker A: I also, in the past, have had to delete my stories about speeding, just so everybody knows, because my wife couldn't handle it. So I did not admit to speeding either back to the game. So it's okay. Not frowned upon in your mind, to pick on a weaker player because of. Are you saying it's okay when there's a shirt on the line or a. Or metal on the line or whatever? Like, when it's. [00:07:48] Speaker B: I'm on the street and I get a. And I have to pull out my martial arts skills, and I noticed that they have a limp. You for sure, know I'm going after that. That injury, but I'm not. [00:07:57] Speaker A: I'm asking about the. [00:07:58] Speaker B: In terms of pickleball. You. You will sit there, and you will tell me on the back line, hit to so and so. Hit to so and so. And you're like, every ball to so and so, and I'll be like, okay. And then I will go ahead and play my game because I want to win on my own merit. [00:08:17] Speaker A: That is winning on our own merit. [00:08:19] Speaker B: I know, but I like. I like the challenge of, you know, getting a good shot on a good player. [00:08:26] Speaker A: Yeah, great. Just don't try to make that every. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Play, because I wasn't. I won't. [00:08:32] Speaker A: This is what I believe. I believe there's a line drawn. It's somewhat in the sand, but I'm gonna. This is where the line is drawn for me. [00:08:37] Speaker B: Okay. [00:08:38] Speaker A: If there is a competitive outcome on the line league super duper tournament. [00:08:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:44] Speaker A: You should play every strength and every weakness in that game, all your strengths and all their weaknesses, you should be playing those, of course, firmly believe that. Well, you say, of course, but you now you're backtracking because league is where I'm telling you to hit. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Like I said, you take me to the back line, you tell me what to do, and I say, of course. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Exactly. Do not listen when she says, of course. You now know her secret. Of course. [00:09:04] Speaker B: I said, of course. I didn't say, okay, I will. [00:09:06] Speaker A: Right. That's so wrong. We already talked about lobbying, but let's. We didn't go very far. Lobbing frowned upon, okay. Doing it to an old man, hitting it to the guy in the wheelchair. Like, what? What's the word on lobbying? [00:09:20] Speaker B: I. Lobbing is a strategic, natural play. [00:09:24] Speaker A: So it's hitting to the weak player. [00:09:25] Speaker B: It's not any. Just because you lob it doesn't mean you're hitting to the weaker player. It just means you might be hitting over the better player. But if they're fast, they can still get to it. We've seen. That's why I lob over you. Yeah, but you have this weird hit where you kind of, like, spin, and it's like a windmill thing, and sometimes my lobs over you don't pan out. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Keep that in mind next time you try to lob me, okay? That way you don't love me. [00:09:55] Speaker B: I usually don't lob I regular basis. Yeah, but. [00:10:01] Speaker A: And I think. I think you make a great point. A lob is a regular old shot in the game. It's a strategic play. But I've seen lobs done against old people who can't run at all, and then they're turning around, running backwards almost, and risking themselves at falling or whatever. [00:10:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I wouldn't do that. I would be afraid to have to use my first aid skills. [00:10:19] Speaker A: That's the only place I draw the line. [00:10:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:21] Speaker A: I don't mind hitting it hard, though. I'll give Grandpa a tattoo if I need to. That's fine with me. [00:10:27] Speaker B: I don't like hitting people in the face. [00:10:29] Speaker A: And I know I didn't say a. [00:10:31] Speaker B: Face tattoo, but the last several tattoos I've seen you do are to the face. [00:10:36] Speaker A: We should talk about the tattoo you got this week. [00:10:39] Speaker B: Okay. [00:10:40] Speaker A: Well, I took you out to drill last week on Thursday morning. [00:10:45] Speaker B: Tuesday. I thought. [00:10:47] Speaker A: I think it was okay. Sure. Still within the last week, Tuesday morning and had the machine out. [00:10:53] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:53] Speaker A: Ripping some balls at you. [00:10:54] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:55] Speaker A: What'd you do? [00:10:56] Speaker B: It caught the edge of my paddle. Rolled all the way up. [00:11:00] Speaker A: It didn't catch the edge of your paddle? [00:11:02] Speaker B: The ball caught the edge of my paddle. [00:11:04] Speaker A: If. If the ball was in control of things, you could say the ball cut. [00:11:07] Speaker B: The edge, I hit the ball. [00:11:09] Speaker A: There we go. [00:11:09] Speaker B: Or I attempted to hit the ball and it rolled right up the face of my paddle and into my eye socket. [00:11:16] Speaker A: Bad. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Bad. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Not. Well, that was doctor badde, but no. [00:11:19] Speaker B: Like, hurt you bad, like, on the. [00:11:21] Speaker A: Floor, like, black eyed it the next day bad. [00:11:23] Speaker B: Yeah, but it did take probably 3 hours to be able to see correctly out of it. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And you normally wear eyewear? [00:11:32] Speaker B: I. I had it and I didn't put it on. I didn't. [00:11:34] Speaker A: Yeah, we just forgot. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Well, it then. Just let that be, you know, public safety announcement. If you're using a ball machine. Where eye gear. [00:11:43] Speaker A: I forget you have gamma or gearbox. Eye gear. [00:11:45] Speaker B: I don't know. Why'd you buy me? [00:11:47] Speaker A: It starts with a g. I think it's probably gearbox. Okay, so let's see. Oh, so there's some other ones. I mean, we talked about nasty Nelson on previous episodes, but. Nasty Nelson, I think, go for it. I see nothing wrong with it, but there are a lot of people that hate it. [00:12:03] Speaker B: It's risky. [00:12:04] Speaker A: Well, yeah, that's what makes it. That's what makes it more fair. [00:12:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's kind of a. It's kind of a fun shot. Like, if you. If someone's not paying attention and, you know, you can get away with it, I can see why you do it. I still don't feel confident enough to do something like that. Nor do I feel good about it. When I. When I go play pickleball, I play for fun and relaxation. If I leave a game or a tournament, and I feel lousy about how I played, whether it's because I played badly or I played meanly, it's not worth it to me. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I wouldn't want to play mean either. That doesn't sound like any fun. I'm with you on that. [00:12:47] Speaker B: There are times when we've been mad and we. [00:12:50] Speaker A: Sure. [00:12:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:51] Speaker A: But I'm not. I don't hit at somebody if I'm mad at them. No, I'm just trying to pepper them because I'm. They've upset me. I might hit the next shot hard, but I'm definitely not trying to hit it at them. [00:13:01] Speaker B: Okay, I believe you. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Yeah. No, that's not my style. I don't mind hitting someone. [00:13:07] Speaker B: No, I know. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Some of my favorite people like to hit are like, Luke. Like, I just love to hit him when I can. I can. James, I think that's great. These are my buddies, so, like. And they wouldn't care. They try to hit me? [00:13:18] Speaker B: Sure. [00:13:18] Speaker A: On my birthday. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Oh, that was a whole different story. That was for your 50th. [00:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:23] Speaker B: And I told everybody double points if you hit Kevin. Yeah, I told everybody double points if you hit Kevin today. And so you. 50 times. It's kind of like getting a spanking on your birthday. [00:13:35] Speaker A: Well, not the kind I want. [00:13:39] Speaker B: I think we got you at least 50 times. [00:13:41] Speaker A: I got hit a lot that day. You made a comment about nasty Nelsons and I'm gonna, and you're right about it. I'm gonna further what you said to say this. The truth of the matter is if you are paying attention, yeah, 95% nasty Nelsons should work out for you. Not if you're the server, if you're the receiving team. Because if you're paying attention, you just get out of the way. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:02] Speaker A: And they hit. They've hit it out of bounds. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:04] Speaker A: Plus it's, it's not like not everyone has the type of aim where they can make sure that they're going to hit that whatever two foot wide person, you know, standing across the net from them. 30ft away. [00:14:17] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:17] Speaker A: 2020, 9ft, just to the kitchen line. Right from the service line. So 30ft away. I think you've got time to move in most cases. So honestly, the nasty Nelson is fun and it's really, it really needs to be reserved for when there's no way they expect it and they're not looking because otherwise 95% of them should not work out. [00:14:38] Speaker B: True. [00:14:39] Speaker A: We just started talking about body bagging, which, you know, I get. Some people don't like that term and I get that. I understand, especially those who maybe had a military background. It's a common term. That's why I use it. I started trying to use body blow. That reminds me of that. What was that? Tko or something different TK. [00:14:56] Speaker B: Oh, yep. [00:14:56] Speaker A: Body blow. Body blow. Uppercut, left hook. That. So maybe body blow is a better term, but that's really a part of the game, right? Flicking it at your opponent and hitting them. It's not necessarily, you know, standing halfway back mid court and just ripping it across as far as you can. It's, it's usually a flick or a speed up at the line where you're trying to hit them in that shoulder area, chest area, sort of the, you know, the center mass. What do you think on that one? [00:15:25] Speaker B: Well, I've seen two things happen as a result. I've, I've been, I've been hit and whoever my partner is, they get them. The guy, if it's a mixed double situation, the guy gets really angry, especially if I got hit by the. The guy across the net. There have been times when I've been hit on purpose, and it has. It has rattled my partner. We've even had friends on a different court see it and be, like, yelling at the person from the other court and not yelling so much, but, like, scolding. Scalding, whatever. Scolding, scolding. [00:16:05] Speaker A: That's hot water. [00:16:06] Speaker B: Either way, they're in hot water. [00:16:08] Speaker A: Scalding. [00:16:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And so it can. It obviously benefited the person that hit me on that one shot. But what they don't know is if you make a person mad enough, sometimes they get better at the game, and that has always been my. [00:16:28] Speaker A: Yeah, your mom knows that. [00:16:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:30] Speaker A: She would make you mad. When you were playing volleyball and you hate it. You hated it, but it worked. [00:16:34] Speaker B: In martial arts, the coaches would deliberately make me mad so that I would actually fight. [00:16:40] Speaker A: That's why I don't do dishes. I make you mad. So you do the dishes better. [00:16:43] Speaker B: I do clean when I'm mad. That's. [00:16:46] Speaker A: I gotta remember that tactic. Why is your wife so mad at you? Well, I need her to vacuum. [00:16:54] Speaker B: Oh, dear. [00:16:55] Speaker A: For the record, I did the dishes the last few days. I'm just saying, I'm not a jackass husband. [00:17:02] Speaker B: But. No, I mean, like, that. There's two outcomes. You can. It can either work in your favor, or it can work against you, because you just made two people very mad. And sometimes when you make the opponents really madden, it fires them up. [00:17:14] Speaker A: Sky, I'm sure it's probably happened where you've been hit as my partner. And I didn't like it, but for the most part, I usually go hit her. She's fine. [00:17:22] Speaker B: She can take it. [00:17:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I do. Like, they look at me like, oh, I'm so sorry I hit your wife. And I'm like, my wife has been hit a lot harder with fists in the face. [00:17:30] Speaker B: That's true. [00:17:30] Speaker A: Taekwondo built you some tough skin. So I'm like, yeah, she's fine. And you always turn on you like, I'm good. [00:17:36] Speaker B: I have a bone bruise that has two years old. [00:17:39] Speaker A: Yes, still a bone bruise. And it's. [00:17:41] Speaker B: It's still ugly. [00:17:42] Speaker A: It's brutal. That's where I am when I'm trying to kick you at home. [00:17:44] Speaker B: Oh, is that it? [00:17:45] Speaker A: Okay, I. I will say dangerous. Yeah, it is dangerous for me. I will say, um, yeah, I really don't. I can't. When. When did you get hit? Other than hitting yourself with the ball this last week. When did you get hit by someone. [00:17:56] Speaker B: That actually was like, oh, in league this fall. Yeah. Mm hmm. [00:18:01] Speaker A: Again, that's competitive. It's for a win. [00:18:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:05] Speaker A: I love to buy back somebody. I'm not. Again, I'm not. I say tattoo jokingly. I'm not trying to hit them hard where it hurts and stings. I aim at their feet or I'll do a nice little flick roll towards their, like I said, chest, center, mass area. Um. It's a good play, though. Cause you jam them up and they can't get the paddle there and you get the point. And, yeah, to me, it's not taboo to do that at all. [00:18:26] Speaker B: No. But if they're not wearing head, if they're not wearing eye gear, it can be. You have to. If you're gonna hit somebody on purpose, you need to make sure you're not gonna hit them in the face. That's not cool. I got hit in the temple this league. I got hit in the net. [00:18:41] Speaker A: That's true. That those both hurt you back slip side of the neck, wasn't it? [00:18:46] Speaker B: Yeah, but it, yeah, and it left a, like a scratch, but, yeah, I mean, like, it is what it is. I mean, like, just so my opponents know. You make me mad. I'm going to play better. [00:18:59] Speaker A: So what about other mental games? What about intentionally saying the score wrong? [00:19:04] Speaker B: Mmm. [00:19:05] Speaker A: Or, yeah, let's start with that. What about, what about those kind of mind games? [00:19:09] Speaker B: Since I rarely ever know what the score is and that isn't. [00:19:12] Speaker A: I said intentionally saying this. [00:19:15] Speaker B: I mean, like, I don't always pay attention. [00:19:17] Speaker A: I know some people will do it wrong just to get some extra time. I've done it. [00:19:21] Speaker B: You have? [00:19:21] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:19:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's naughty. [00:19:26] Speaker A: Or stand in the wrong position. Oh, my bad. Sorry, guys. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Usually you're the one. [00:19:32] Speaker A: No, I'm saying intentionally. I'm doing it to get an extra 10 seconds. Hey, hold on. We gotta switch. That gives me an extra 10 seconds just to let them maybe simmer down their hot streak that's going on. [00:19:45] Speaker B: Sure. That's why we do the timeouts too. I should look up the stats on that. Like, what are the stats of calling it? [00:19:51] Speaker A: I actually think it's 50 50. I heard this. I feel like Zane did something on this one. So I think he said the stats guys have it at 50 50. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:19:58] Speaker A: Which is the same thing it is before the timeout. [00:20:00] Speaker B: True. [00:20:02] Speaker A: What about when the other team responds in a way that. So I just gave you two examples. Standing in the wrong position or maybe saying the wrong score, but the other team's got something going on. Maybe they just hit an ATP. And then your team responds with whatever, a medical timeout, a walking really slow back to the whatever, talking extra, trying to get away with as much as they can possibly get away with before they have to say the score and serve. What about kind of that. I don't know what to call it because it could be very strategic and smart. I don't know. But what about that kind of mental game? [00:20:37] Speaker B: I mean, I always try to side on giving people grace. Like, since we play with our friends, most of the time, if they talk too long or they're being silly or, you know, some of them really do have some medical. You're so much nicer issues that will take them out for a long extended break. But it's not fun because we're all on a time limit sometimes with a. Especially with leagues. But I think there needs to be grace. But when every once in a while you feel like it's intentional and so you start to pay attention, I guess. [00:21:12] Speaker A: Sure. Question a little bit. [00:21:13] Speaker B: Question a little bit. [00:21:15] Speaker A: I love most of that stuff. Yeah, I do think there's crossing the line, but I clearly have the line drawn a lot farther away from center than you do on this one because I do believe it's such a mental game. So I watched a game tonight, wherever a team jumps ahead two to zero, just boom, boom, 20, and this is on that top court. And next thing you know, the other teams had six two and they're switching sides. Wow, such a streaky game in many ways. Not always, but. But often. So they're head six two, they go up seven two, boom. Next thing you know, it's nine seven. The other teams ahead and they win. [00:21:46] Speaker B: Wow. [00:21:47] Speaker A: So I think it was like 1111. [00:21:50] Speaker B: Eight, maybe strong servers, maybe. [00:21:52] Speaker A: No, no, just. [00:21:53] Speaker B: Just a streak. [00:21:54] Speaker A: You get on these rolls now. I've read articles that say that there's no such thing as really getting in the groove and getting on a streak. Sometimes you just feel it. You think you do, but they say statistically you don't. So Michael Jordan will come off the court and be like, man, I just. I just felt it tonight. And they go, well, interesting. Cause your stats are. You still shot, you know, 42% from the field. It's probably an attitude, I think maybe so. Um, but I. I do know that there's definitely times when your team gets on a run, you feel it. Could you score six, seven in a row and you're like, man. And the other team. Definitely, definitely. When you're receiving that and you're going down and you see the other team get 3456 in a row on you. You feel it. [00:22:32] Speaker B: You do. [00:22:33] Speaker A: So that's when I like to get mental. [00:22:35] Speaker B: I know. [00:22:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:37] Speaker B: That's when you're calling a timeout, right at the serve. [00:22:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And I'll do two in a row sometimes. That makes me really happy when I do that. [00:22:44] Speaker B: Me too. Yeah, that actually throws me. [00:22:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Throws my own partner on that one. [00:22:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's not good. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Gotta be ready for that woman. Okay. [00:22:52] Speaker B: Speaking of ATP. [00:22:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:54] Speaker B: I think, you know, I sometimes over celebrate because I'm pretty new. So when is it okay to celebrate and how long are you allowed to celebrate? And, you know, is there a rule around that? [00:23:07] Speaker A: I mean, how long? Yes, there's technically a rule around that one. [00:23:11] Speaker B: What is it? [00:23:11] Speaker A: The rule is you're supposed to make an effort to get back into your position within a reasonable bottom amount of time. Like if you're refereeing a game, you give them an amount of time that you would expect. They can get back into their position to be ready for the next play. [00:23:24] Speaker B: Okay. So running around the court, jumping up and down is not okay. [00:23:26] Speaker A: Running over the other side, smacking them on the butt as you run by telling them. Got you on that one. Ha ha. Thanks for the setup. [00:23:33] Speaker B: I don't do that. [00:23:34] Speaker A: None of that stuff is allowed. [00:23:35] Speaker B: I did hop around the court, though. [00:23:37] Speaker A: You did? Well, but you didn't touch their side of the court. [00:23:40] Speaker B: No. [00:23:41] Speaker A: You did hop around on our side of the court. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a circle. [00:23:44] Speaker A: I think you were like my first ATP. [00:23:45] Speaker B: My first ATP. [00:23:48] Speaker A: Have you had a second? I did, but have you hit a third? [00:23:51] Speaker B: No, I've attempted. [00:23:52] Speaker A: We're gonna work on the earning for you. [00:23:55] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah, we're gonna work on it. We're not ready yet. You need a partner that can move more than I can move someone that can cover you when you're outside the line. [00:24:03] Speaker B: I was gonna say that doesn't sound like strategically bad for us. [00:24:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Any other things you think are like kind of taboo that way? Over. Oh. So back to celebration. Cause there are actually are some things we could say there. [00:24:18] Speaker B: Okay. [00:24:18] Speaker A: Kind of coming from the tennis world, it's considered taboo to cheer when the other team, like, makes a mistake. Like serving it out or hitting it in the neck. [00:24:28] Speaker B: Right. [00:24:28] Speaker A: You generally cheer when you make a good shot, not when they make a bad shot. That's, I think, a common sportsmanship, courtesy and people know it, but I see a lot of it in pickleball. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't mind it because I think our sports a little gritty. [00:24:46] Speaker B: You think so? [00:24:47] Speaker A: I do. I like it gritty. I don't want to be this pure. Everyone wears white tennis, you know, everyone. No, I'm not. [00:24:56] Speaker B: There's a huge segment of the. Of the industry that's like that. [00:25:00] Speaker A: I love tennis. [00:25:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:01] Speaker A: I also wish it wasn't so hoity toity. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Hmm. [00:25:04] Speaker A: I don't want pickleball to be that. I want pickleball being a little nitty gritty, getting gritty with it. So what we say, I mean, when. [00:25:11] Speaker B: We went to the PPA tournament, it was pretty loud, and they were encouraging that. [00:25:18] Speaker A: Yeah, of course they were. [00:25:22] Speaker B: So, anyway, I will say, because we get to play with our friends many times when I did that second ATP, they. The other side celebrated with me, and that felt good. So I didn't feel. I didn't celebrate as long with the second one, obviously, but I. It felt good to, you know, play with people who are, you know, emotionally intelligent and secure enough to celebrate with you and you make a good shot. [00:25:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, I don't know this whole topic. To me, we definitely have different lines. Right. In terms of what is acceptable or frowned upon or not frowned upon or whatever you want to call it. But it's fun because I love the mental game of the sport. It's my, by far, favorite part. [00:26:12] Speaker B: What else? What else do you do? Maybe I don't even know. Playing mind games with us on the court. [00:26:20] Speaker A: I do a little bit. This is something I don't do much anymore. I used to do this, though, and. Jessica, sorry, if you're listening, I used to hit my first return into the net. [00:26:31] Speaker B: What? [00:26:33] Speaker A: And then I saw a ton of balls after that. [00:26:35] Speaker B: You would what? [00:26:37] Speaker A: I would hit my first return into the net. [00:26:39] Speaker B: Okay. Why? [00:26:40] Speaker A: I would see a ton of balls after that. [00:26:42] Speaker B: You would see a ton of balls. Oh, because they would hit to you thinking you were the weaker player. And you have told me you like to be underestimated as well. [00:26:51] Speaker A: I want to be underestimated. They look at me and they go, old fat white guy, he's got. He can't move very fast. I can't run distance very fast. But I'm quick. [00:27:00] Speaker B: You are quick. [00:27:01] Speaker A: And I want them to not and scrappy about me. So get to balls. I don't think I'll get to quick reactions at the line that they don't expect. Yeah. And that's just part of my game. But I have intentionally missed my first shot. [00:27:17] Speaker B: Hmm. So basically use the sales system of, you know, setting expectations, but you set low expectations. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Got it. [00:27:27] Speaker A: Why raise the bar? [00:27:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I see that. [00:27:29] Speaker A: If I raise the bar too soon, I don't get to see the balls, and winners want the balls in their hand, and I want the balls in my hand. [00:27:37] Speaker B: I feel like you've done this. When we played a tournament before, it's possible. And I'd be like, what are you doing? [00:27:44] Speaker A: I'm like, it's good. We're good. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Yep. It's coming back to me. [00:27:50] Speaker A: I don't believe in throwing games. [00:27:52] Speaker B: No. [00:27:53] Speaker A: But if I can throw one play, that's not worth a point. I'd usually do it on our serve, not their serve. [00:27:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:00] Speaker A: And I can sway the outcome of the game more in my favor. To me, that's worth it. [00:28:06] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Some of it's just screwing around, like. So, for instance. Well, we talked about it on different podcasts, too, but. [00:28:17] Speaker B: Well, maybe we can reverse this. Have you seen other players that you're competing against do that to your partner? And how have you helped your partner overcome? [00:28:27] Speaker A: To my partner. Get in their mind. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Get in their mind? [00:28:30] Speaker A: Oh, heck, yes. Yeah. And so what's interesting is, like, let me use Josh Uyghurs as an example. When we would play doubles together in the league, we had a pretty good team, as you can imagine, and that's because of Josh. So they would. They would try to hit to me, or, I mean, I say try because he would get a lot of balls. We would play mixed doubles, fall intensive purposes. I would play the female side in mixed doubles, what you would see in pros, and he would play the men's, you know, three quarter court side, which really set us up for a lot of success, because I was. I didn't have to move far to get to the balls, which means I was in position, and he is just an animal and can cover so much court so fast that he was in position. But when they would hit them, more of them to me, and they were getting him to me, he would get frustrated as if he was being taken out of the game. So that's the other side of do you pick on a weak person? You also take another player out of the game, which is a real strategy. In any given rally, it doesn't matter who the person is. Sometimes when you isolate, you're now playing two on one. Well, two on one is an unfair game. You have an advantage. But players don't think like that. They think, oh, I need to keep moving it around. Yeah, move it around. But move around on one guy, not two, so that you have that advantage, because two on one's always easier. But we call it isolating. Isolate that player. [00:29:48] Speaker B: I've been that isolated player. [00:29:50] Speaker A: Yep. So it isolates you and it ices them. [00:29:53] Speaker B: Yes. So you've been iced while I'm isolated. Mm hmm. [00:29:57] Speaker A: And I want you not ready. I want you to drop your guard, because the moment you drop your guard and I see that paddle go below the net, because you're not holding it up where you should be holding it. [00:30:05] Speaker B: Yep. [00:30:06] Speaker A: Tag time. Body bag tag. [00:30:07] Speaker B: I saw that last week with a player. And it worked. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Yep. [00:30:12] Speaker A: Well, good stuff today, sky. I always love getting to hang out with you in the studio here. We've had a couple good podcasts lately. The was just phenomenal. We're getting all kinds of great feedback on that one. So if you haven't heard that one, listen to the one called the top golf of pickleball. I think that's the name of it. It's really good. John Hurley does a great job. We had Brent past last week. He was fantastic. Talking about courts. Excited to see what we got. Have soon. We're gonna have a couple more special guests over the next few weeks. So we will be back. We'll be back in a week. And make sure that you tell your friends that we're ahead of the game, and so are.