Steal my Idea!

[00:00:01] Speaker A: That was funny today. Hey, meta, stop recording. Too late. I already missed my shot. All right, sky, welcome back to our pod pod studio here in lovely Anderson, Indiana. [00:00:21] Speaker B: Well, thank you very much. [00:00:22] Speaker A: Good to have you here. [00:00:24] Speaker B: Good to be here. [00:00:26] Speaker A: We are here unexpectedly. [00:00:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:00:28] Speaker A: Our son has a date. Woo hoo. [00:00:31] Speaker B: He's gonna kill us. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll see if he even listens. [00:00:35] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll know. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Now we will know. True dat. Okay, what do you think we're gonna do today? Do you have any idea? [00:00:42] Speaker B: I don't. Because you have shared with me that you like me to be surprised. [00:00:46] Speaker A: I do. Tonight, I need your brain, like, lit. I need a thinking cap on. [00:00:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:00:53] Speaker A: Tonight we're going to discuss some interesting ideas that we come up with for the economic side, business side, et cetera, of pickleball. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Oh, wow. So it's just like a brainstorming session? [00:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you can call it that. [00:01:06] Speaker B: I like that. [00:01:08] Speaker A: A celebration of the intellect. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Okay, let's back to it. I don't normally put myself in that category, but I'll do my best. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Oh, babe, I definitely put you there. [00:01:19] Speaker B: Oh, that's so sweet. [00:01:19] Speaker A: Yeah, you're very smart, chicken. [00:01:21] Speaker B: Thank you very much. [00:01:22] Speaker A: You're welcome. Okay, so business ideas and or business challenges and or economic thoughts on pickleball. Do you want to. Do you have something already on your mind or do you want me to go first? [00:01:37] Speaker B: Well, what jumps out at me first, and maybe it's because I love t shirts so much, is I love apparel. So whether it's what I want to wear to play in or what I want to wear around town that advertises pickleball, there's some really great products out there that are funny. You know, they just. And we've even said it on our podcast, that could be a t shirt based on a specific or clever phrase. So obviously apparel jumps out. [00:02:07] Speaker A: I think we should just quit right now. I can't believe you would say apparel. [00:02:13] Speaker B: Why is that still your answer when. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Pickleball rock screwed us over? Well, rock Rodney Grubbs. [00:02:17] Speaker B: Did I try to forget that? [00:02:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Are we going to talk about that now? [00:02:23] Speaker A: I guess. [00:02:24] Speaker B: Well, you don't have to. [00:02:25] Speaker A: Most people I know, I think, know that we were involved. We were an investor in pickleball rocks by investing in Rodney Grubbs, who has apparently screwed over 400 plus of us. [00:02:37] Speaker B: Whoa. [00:02:38] Speaker A: 48 million ish dollars. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Wow. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Of which we will maybe see, like $0.55. [00:02:47] Speaker B: Wow. [00:02:48] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:49] Speaker B: Is brutal. [00:02:49] Speaker A: It's painful. And he was in the apparel business. [00:02:52] Speaker B: I. You know, I did. I didn't mean to bring up such a sore subject. I honestly am trying not to think about it because it is painful to think about the money we lost. [00:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:02] Speaker B: But I also still like really cute t shirts. And we joke that our pickleball rock t shirts are the most expensive things in our closet. [00:03:12] Speaker A: Things I own. Each one's worth at least a. [00:03:16] Speaker B: There's more than. There are more than that. [00:03:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it was bad. [00:03:19] Speaker B: I had a friend ask me recently, are you gonna still wear those shirts? I'm like, well, you know, I don't. [00:03:23] Speaker A: Paid a heck of a lot for them at this point. [00:03:24] Speaker B: I said, yeah, they're. They're the biggest thing we've ever bought. [00:03:27] Speaker A: So honestly. So this is actually good, because I actually do have an idea around pickleball rocks. [00:03:32] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:03:33] Speaker A: It's one of my business ideas. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Okay. [00:03:35] Speaker A: They're having an auction at the end of this month. [00:03:37] Speaker B: They are? [00:03:38] Speaker A: They are. Well, the court ordered auction to try to make back any money that they can for those of us that got screwed over. [00:03:43] Speaker B: Well, if we're on that list, can we just get stuff for free? [00:03:46] Speaker A: Wouldn't that be great? That's not really how bankruptcy works. He's been forced into bankruptcy. [00:03:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:52] Speaker A: And so they're selling off all of his assets, and then all of those assets will come together into a big lump sum, and then there's blue up secured interests and those of us who don't, et cetera, et cetera. So. So some people was also. Were also involved with them in real estate and got screwed over, too. Those would be more secured interest things where maybe they have quick claim. Yeah. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Wow. [00:04:10] Speaker A: But here's the business idea, okay? Pickleball does rock. [00:04:14] Speaker B: It does. [00:04:15] Speaker A: And Pickleball Rocks is actually not the enemy here. [00:04:18] Speaker B: No. [00:04:18] Speaker A: Pickleball Rocks was and is a business entity, just like the pod pod studio is a business entity, just like my company, disruptify is a business entity. It is not me. It is owned by Cesar and I, but it's not, you know, our families, you and me and him and his wife, Linda. But it's nothing. It's not you, it's not me. [00:04:37] Speaker B: Right. [00:04:38] Speaker A: It's an entity that can survive or die on its own, no matter what happens to us. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Right? [00:04:42] Speaker A: Just like pickleball rocks. Rodney Grubbs is a different story. He's who is to blame, not the company. So I would love to purchase all that pickleball rock stuff and then relaunch pickleball rocks under new ownership and let 10% of all proceeds go back to the people that got screwed over. [00:05:02] Speaker B: Oh, that's cool, right? Yeah. [00:05:04] Speaker A: So that's my first business idea. And you had no idea I was going to go there, and you did not sent me down that path by bringing this up. [00:05:11] Speaker B: I'm sitting here feeling very guilty and, like, nervous because I brought up something so painful. [00:05:16] Speaker A: It's not that painful. I mean, look, you. You set your hand to the plow and you move forward once you look back. [00:05:22] Speaker B: Oh, of course. We always move forward. [00:05:23] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah. We make mistakes. [00:05:25] Speaker A: We make tomorrow a better day than today. [00:05:27] Speaker B: This wasn't really a mistake so much as we trusted the wrong person. [00:05:30] Speaker A: We trusted a guy that a lot of people trusted and that vouched for him. People that were in incredible positions of authority and knowledge that vouchsafed for him. So. And we have. We have friends that were bitten by Rodney as well, so, yeah, it's too bad. I mean, I went down and met with him. We had lunch together. It was just such a nice guy. And then you go, gulp. [00:05:53] Speaker B: Yep. [00:05:54] Speaker A: It's hard not to believe the worst. I'd like to not believe the worst. That's who I am. I'd like to not believe the worst. [00:05:59] Speaker B: I don't trust people as fast as you do. [00:06:01] Speaker A: You do not trust them at all. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Well, that's a whole different topic. Go there. [00:06:06] Speaker A: That's when we get into some therapy. [00:06:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:06:10] Speaker A: Okay. So apparel, I think, is a legit business. We know it is because we see people wearing pickleball shirts everywhere we go. [00:06:16] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:06:16] Speaker A: Whether it's, you know, never underestimate an old man in a pickleball paddle or it's, you know, coffee. Coffee. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. Legit business, but already in existence. So what would you do to disrupt that industry? [00:06:30] Speaker B: Well, I have not seen a pickleball t shirt or apparel subscription yet, and we did talk about subscriptions in a previous podcast. [00:06:39] Speaker A: I like that. [00:06:40] Speaker B: And so that subscription box could include not just apparel, but other pickleball items. [00:06:46] Speaker A: Oh, my boy. Zane, Navitol, and Prox are already do that. [00:06:49] Speaker B: They do, yeah. [00:06:50] Speaker A: Actually, they're not the company that does it, but they promote it. There is a company that will do a once a month box, and it could have gear, clothing. [00:06:57] Speaker B: Okay, I have seen that. [00:06:58] Speaker A: Yep. [00:06:59] Speaker B: I think I've seen that. But I'm talking about more of the girly stuff. So, like, you know, maybe not necessarily, you know, what you'd wear on the court to play, but what you would wear casually. So, like, there's pickleball jewelry. There's that fun stuff that we see at tournaments, earrings, oh, yeah. [00:07:15] Speaker A: I've not yet seen a pickleball nose ring. [00:07:18] Speaker B: I'm sure it exists. [00:07:19] Speaker A: They put the ball on the inside. I think it just hangs down. [00:07:24] Speaker B: You're thinking about one of my baristas right now, aren't you? [00:07:28] Speaker A: I'm thinking about more than one of them. Yeah, those were the Danes little Archie throwback for you there. [00:07:35] Speaker B: Well, I threw out an idea. Why don't you throw out one? [00:07:38] Speaker A: I kind of did. [00:07:40] Speaker B: You did? [00:07:41] Speaker A: But I'll throw out the next one. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:43] Speaker A: I believe that there's a pickleball paddle problem, not the paddle problem that people may be thinking of. [00:07:50] Speaker B: Sounds like a doctor Seuss book. [00:07:51] Speaker A: I actually was thinking if I could think of more p words really quickly, it'd be a lot of fun if. [00:07:55] Speaker B: A pickleball paddler paddle. [00:07:56] Speaker A: Pickleball paddle problems personified personally by playing pickleball. Okay, here's the problem. [00:08:05] Speaker B: Oh, there's a p word. [00:08:07] Speaker A: I already said paddle problem, so it's. It was already in there. [00:08:11] Speaker B: I'm listening. [00:08:12] Speaker A: How about pain? That's a p word. Also when you're being a pain. [00:08:16] Speaker B: Am I, though? [00:08:17] Speaker A: Nah. There were like, 30 or 40 pickleball paddle companies two years ago. Yes, there are 1300 plus pickleball paddle companies today. [00:08:28] Speaker B: 1300 plus. [00:08:30] Speaker A: Don't forget the plus plus. So that's going like crazy because you just outsource it to China. That's what everyone's doing. They all get made in the same, probably two factories and. [00:08:40] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:41] Speaker A: They just slap different logos on them. They all using t 700 carbon fiber, you know, surfaces. And so we could easily start a, whatever, pickleball paddle company if we wanted to. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Sure. [00:08:51] Speaker A: We actually made our own paddles. Well, I mean, we didn't make them, but we had our own paddles made for us a long time ago. Pickle brawlers did. Yep. [00:08:59] Speaker B: We still see those around every once in a while. [00:09:01] Speaker A: Yeah, there's about three out there that I'm aware of that are actually used. But the paddle technology sucks compared to today's technology. That, by the way, is an episode I want to do with the future technology. But. So I have not yet given you a business idea. I just believe that there's a paddle problem. Here's my business idea. Think through how most paddles are promoted today, and you should come up with two unique responses. One, pros. Hey, Zayn avertal plays with the Pro XR paddle, so everyone else should play with the Pro XR paddle. [00:09:32] Speaker B: Right? [00:09:33] Speaker A: Look, Zane Navrato could beat us with a waffle pan. Is that a word with a waffle iron. [00:09:39] Speaker B: I was gonna say, I don't know what a waffle pan is, but I'm. [00:09:42] Speaker A: Gonna look it up right now. Google waffle pan. I am. Because you never know what a waffle pan is. Well, there's waffle pants. Hey, there you go. Waffle pans. They're just basically waffle makers. [00:09:54] Speaker B: Yep. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Or old fashioned waffle irons. So what I'm saying is, he could beat us with one of those. [00:09:59] Speaker B: We should get one of those waffle pants. [00:10:03] Speaker A: That would more legitimize. [00:10:04] Speaker B: You can actually make it look like a pickleball. [00:10:06] Speaker A: That would legitimize my statement. It does look like a pickleball paddle. That's what's funny about it. Made out of cast iron, though, so that would be rough. The point I'm making is most of us don't need to play with the Pro XR. We just need a good, reliable paddle. [00:10:21] Speaker B: Correct. [00:10:22] Speaker A: Let's use Pro XR as our example. I reached out to them. Oh, it was probably two, maybe three days after Yola's. And this is, again, if you don't know pickleball or what's going on in the world. There was. There's Yola paddles. And Yola also looks like the word jewela or jola. They got busted for having a paddle that was outside of the parameters of legal in terms of its construction, had kind of a trampoline effect that caused the balls to come off too fast. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Okay. [00:10:51] Speaker A: And there's currently a lawsuit going on. Lola is suing the USAP for saying their paddle's illegal and because the USAP approved it. But then there's this backstory of. But Yola admitted that USAP approved a pal that wasn't accidentally sent to them and not the right one that was sent to them. And so who knows how that's all going to come out during this fiasco? And Yola's extremely popular paddle. I wouldn't be surprised. Top two or top three? [00:11:15] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:15] Speaker A: Okay. I would have said even number one. I wouldn't be surprised. But top two or three Yola paddles. Boom. Everyone's trying to figure out what to do with them, send them back and get refunds. What am I gonna do now? So I reached out to pro XR, and I said, hey, you guys should put together an ad that said, got bit by having a crappy paddle. We'll take care of you. [00:11:35] Speaker B: Oh, that's nice. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Send us your receipt. Send us a picture of you with your paddle. Send us something to verify that you had a yola paddle. And we'll give you, like, this massive discount. 33% off on a paddle. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Wow. [00:11:47] Speaker A: Probably should done some. I probably should had some fun with it and figured out, like, a really creative way of doing it. Like, so, like, yola pals are $249. I should said 24.9% off. You know, I'm just should have. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Right. [00:11:58] Speaker A: Whatever. And they didn't do it. And a week later, another company came out with the exact same ad that I was talking about. [00:12:04] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:12:05] Speaker A: I think that is a business idea, which is capitalizing on others mistakes. Of course, carbon screwed up. Here's an interesting story. Oh, my gosh. Tying it back to Rodney. Carbon. Pickleball paddles screwed up. They made paddles that were too. Whatever, gritty, I think, was the issue with those paddles. [00:12:21] Speaker B: I remember that. [00:12:22] Speaker A: Yep. So everyone had to return their carbons, and carbon was great, and so has been Yola in terms of returning and their policy. But there's all these side stories of, but what about the people like your club that you used to work at that would buy a bunch of paddles and then sell them? So now who does the person go to to get a refund? Blah, blah, blah. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:39] Speaker A: When carbon collected all these paddles back, they had thousands and thousands and thousands in inventory. Rodney Grubbs would pick up all rocks, reached out to carbon and said, we'll buy them all for, like, $10 each. Well, to carbon, they were just trash. They can't. They can't sell them because they're illegal. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:57] Speaker A: So they were like, sure. So they sold him out of Rodney. He just put a graphic on the top of them, took off the USAP sticker that was approved, and sold them for, like, 25 or $30 each, whatever it was. [00:13:09] Speaker B: Wow. [00:13:10] Speaker A: It's actually a really smart idea because rec players. [00:13:13] Speaker B: Yeah, they don't care. [00:13:14] Speaker A: They don't care. Now, I'm a stickler for the rules. Not normally in life, but I am in pickleball, and it's against the rules that play with the paddle that's not approved. It's not a terminal only thing or a referee only thing. It's in the rulebook. [00:13:27] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:28] Speaker A: Just like not being able to serve overhand right or overhead. [00:13:31] Speaker B: I'm following. [00:13:32] Speaker A: Okay. So anyway, I think there's some. Some opportunity to take advantage of when there's problems in the pickleball paddle world. I also think there's a big opportunity to. And here's my big drum roll. And again, I wish I had it. All I had was the. Yeah, thanks babe, I believe there's an opportunity to create a am XR. Get it? Pro Xr amxr Pro am. So an amateur version of the Pro XR panel at a significant discount. And I believe the target price for amateurs that they're willing to pay. And by the way, this comes from. I don't have data written down, but I have a lot of anecdotal data because of all the new people I've taught how to play pickleball, their spending threshold seems to be $100. [00:14:19] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:19] Speaker A: So come out with a $99 paddle that people like me promote during all of my beginners clinics, which I have seen. [00:14:26] Speaker B: I've seen a lot of Friday paddles. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a good example. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Yep. And I think they do a special for, like, even buy two for a specific price. [00:14:34] Speaker A: Did you know that we advertise Friday pickleball paddles on our podcast? [00:14:38] Speaker B: We do. [00:14:39] Speaker A: Every time I post the description in the description of this week's podcast, at the bottom, it'll say, take advantage of Kevin's discount or our discount. And if they use our link, they can get two for $99. [00:14:51] Speaker B: Oh, that's cool. [00:14:52] Speaker A: And they're good paddles. [00:14:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I see them all the time. [00:14:55] Speaker A: And that's disruptive. It is, because they're still making money at freaking dollar 50 each. [00:15:01] Speaker B: Of course. [00:15:01] Speaker A: But we're paying. And I love Pro XR, and I pay dollar 209 every freaking time for a paddle. [00:15:06] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:06] Speaker A: I love them, but I think they could build me an Amex R, and I would be not equally happy. But if I was a beginner slash intermediate, and I was just not sure if I was going to play every day, I'd be all in on that. And other companies are doing what I'm saying. Other companies are definitely coming out. Like, I'm not even coming out with paddle tech for a long time has had, you know, various levels of pickleball paddle. Selkirk has their SLK line, which is a lower cost line of paddles. So by all means, it's out there. But what I still don't see is targeting the amateur. And that's what I want to see, actually advertising to and targeting the amateur. Can you imagine if Pro XR, the company had an AmeXR paddle and they did a commercial, and it was Kevin from Indiana and Lisa from Michigan and Joanna from Washington and Jerry from Florida, and we all just, like, are tapping each other's pals in the middle of a court after a game in central Kansas. Like, how hilarious would that be? There's that one dude that's. He's like the overweight dude that's like really hilarious. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And he has made himself popular by doing a stupid commercial or his own meme. Really? And boom, he got hired and he's now doing legit commercials. [00:16:18] Speaker B: I feel like I've seen something similar with pickleball central on their advertising. Maybe they have, like, kids and they have, like, different age groups. [00:16:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:26] Speaker B: So it's not, it's still a polished commercial, but I think it's very similar idea. [00:16:31] Speaker A: But those are all actors and actresses. You can tell me how they hold the paddle and how they hit the ball. Of course, I'm saying go get 3.5, Joe. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:16:39] Speaker A: Go get 3.5, Flo, and let's have some fun, yo. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Or the Cathy's. Two Cathy's today. [00:16:45] Speaker A: Oh, the two Kathy's are so good. [00:16:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:47] Speaker A: Okay, what's your next idea? [00:16:50] Speaker B: Next idea would be, oh, goodness. On the spot this afternoon. [00:16:59] Speaker A: You're welcome. [00:17:03] Speaker B: Well, I think there's still a big time need for instructors. I love this one because I know how many people you've taught and you can share that, but the club that I worked at, I'm no longer with them. But the intro classes, the cardio, pickleball, and I, the instructional league, were all very popular. [00:17:26] Speaker A: Okay, let's go farther. [00:17:27] Speaker B: Okay. [00:17:28] Speaker A: Because I love this idea, and with all deference and respect to the people who have gone through and become a certified coach, there's not what I would call a truly legit hardcore pickleball coaching program out there. And I actually talked to Ken Herman about it at the app and I said, kent, I think if you got behind this and you guys created a real coaching program, and I mean, look, I love Mark Renison and third shot, those guys are really good and they have a coaching program and they certify you. And there's other ones as well. But candidly, from what I've seen, and I need to do more research, but I believe I'm right in saying this, most of them can be accomplished in a weekend. That's not what I'm talking about. That's not. You are not going to become a truly great coach who can close, help, help somebody identify and close the gap between where they are and where they want to be by learning a few things about pickleball and a better stroke, better placement and stuff like that over a weekend. You're just not. [00:18:31] Speaker B: No, good coaching comes from. [00:18:33] Speaker A: Good coaching comes from great coaching. [00:18:35] Speaker B: Exactly. But I'm going very basic on you. So there's so many people out there that out there in the community, out there in the world that want to learn how to play pickleball, they're not looking for a certified coach. They're looking at somebody who just wants to instruct them. [00:18:52] Speaker A: Right. But never getting crappy instruction a lot of the time. Like, that's a whole podcast. [00:18:57] Speaker B: That's true about any sport, though, that you're trying to learn, right? [00:18:59] Speaker A: But, like, I'm on Facebook a lot in terms of being in the communities, the forums, etcetera. And I cannot even begin to tell you how many times people are like, well, my coach told me this, or my referee told me this, right? Or my local pro told me this, and it's all crap. I mean, even stupid things like, you can't go in the kitchen until the ball bounces. Total myth. We need to do a whole episode on myths. In fact, we should do a whole episode on the myths of pickleball. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Ooh, good idea. [00:19:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so, too. You're so stinking cute. I can't tell if you're just trying to make me happy when you say that or you're just moving along with the podcast. [00:19:40] Speaker B: A little bit of both, maybe. I don't know. It is a good idea, though. [00:19:43] Speaker A: So I love this idea of coaching. And when I say great coaching, like, I would love to involve a college and create an actual either certification or degree program, but have the emphasis to be pickleball. [00:19:55] Speaker B: That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, I can see some college kids who are going through sports management or. Or some sort of, you know, coaching minor or something that would be interested in that. [00:20:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think coaches today get degrees in sports management or. Yeah, exactly. Something like that. They have sports business skills, management, marketing skills, whatever. So I just would like to see an actual coaching one. And I have some ideas on that, and I'm actually kind of working on it on the side, but that, to me, would be a really cool. And I'm not afraid to share these ideas because I'll tell you why. I don't care who builds it. I just think it needs to be built right. And I don't have time to build all these companies I think makes sense. [00:20:38] Speaker B: Or even somebody like Issa or NAsm. [00:20:43] Speaker A: Great examples. [00:20:44] Speaker B: They could do it, too. [00:20:46] Speaker A: Great examples. [00:20:46] Speaker B: Because they have one for kickboxing instruction or martial arts instruction. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Great example. And that kickboxing thing is not a weekend. [00:20:54] Speaker B: It is a ten week course. [00:20:56] Speaker A: Right. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying crap. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Don't do that. [00:20:59] Speaker A: I'm calling it crap. [00:21:00] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I mean, like you're telling people, don't do just the weekend when you go through something real. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Well, I think people are smart to just do the weekend one. [00:21:07] Speaker B: Yeah. It's usually cheaper, too. [00:21:09] Speaker A: That's not the point. The big good one doesn't exist. [00:21:11] Speaker B: I understand. [00:21:12] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. So that's why I think it's a good business idea. Somebody go build it. If not, I will. [00:21:17] Speaker B: He's not joking. [00:21:19] Speaker A: All right, what's next? What do you got? [00:21:20] Speaker B: I just gave you that idea. [00:21:21] Speaker A: Oh, you said, okay, fine. I think there's a ton of opportunity in several different areas. Let's start with, are you gonna write a book? [00:21:33] Speaker B: There's an idea. [00:21:35] Speaker A: No, I'm not gonna write a book. Which may be on your mind because. [00:21:38] Speaker B: There'S a book right there. [00:21:39] Speaker A: There's a book called Pickleball Mindset sitting on my desk here. Dana and Jill wrote it. I don't think that's a good business idea for pickleball. [00:21:47] Speaker B: Because people want to play, not read. [00:21:49] Speaker A: Oh, gosh, no. Because I don't think that a book in this industry makes a lot of sense. So let me give you a couple examples. We created a game probably four years ago. It was pre Covid because we created it when we went to Houston with Robin and James. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Yep. [00:22:07] Speaker A: And we brought it back to Indiana, and we played the game, and it was really fun. It was really fun. But that type of altering sport is not long term. [00:22:18] Speaker B: No. [00:22:18] Speaker A: Other people have created board games. Other people have created digital, like video games. [00:22:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:22:23] Speaker A: They aren't popular because they're not pickleball. They're just not popular. There's just something about this particular sport that causes people to want the real deal. [00:22:33] Speaker B: Well, it's a social aspect. [00:22:37] Speaker A: Thank you. Yeah, social aspect, sure. But so, anyway, I don't think games and books and things like that are going to be really big business ideas. Now for Dane Gingrich and for Jill Martin, who wrote this book, pit ball Mindset. Well, they're both coaches, so this isn't their moneymaker. Their moneymaker is. Wow. I love what Dane said in chapter five on page 95. I need to hire him as my coach. That's where he makes the money. [00:23:04] Speaker B: So that's a catalyst or something. [00:23:07] Speaker A: A lost leader, maybe. So. I don't think that that's a really good business idea. I do think coaching is a good business idea, which we just discussed. So along that. Along those lines, maybe just to extend it. And I'll go back to my idea in a second. But along those lines, I think you've got clinics and one on ones and two on ones and three on ones and three and mes, which are great. Four on ones. Like lots of things you can do there. Clinics, drills, etcetera. We try to run them for free here in amy, but I think it's a good business idea. So if I were to say the next area that I think would be a huge business idea, I believe that youth is a huge area of opportunity. Of course, whether it's after school type sessions, which I think is a big. [00:23:47] Speaker B: Draw, like clubs and leagues. [00:23:49] Speaker A: Yeah. After school things are big. After school clubs of whether it's from anything from basketball to Chester, you name it. I think after school is a good idea. I think churches are a good place to go to for youth school schools. Churches. I think you go to, like, your typical organizations that are citywide, like the YMCA's that typically do, like youth, whether it's soccer or basketball or whatever. [00:24:11] Speaker B: Of course. [00:24:12] Speaker A: Yep. We've got multiple basketball and volleyball entities out here where we live that are very popular. Munciena. Right. A big volleyball, whatever. I think you can create a business around, like, this entirety of youth from tournaments to clinics. And actually, I think you are going to start working on that, aren't you? [00:24:31] Speaker B: I plan on it. [00:24:32] Speaker A: I would love to see scholarships. That was a part of it. [00:24:35] Speaker B: I think that's college. [00:24:36] Speaker A: Well, colleges are now doing scholarships. So what you. What I hope you'll do is create a program that builds scholarships into it so that kids have money waiting for them when they're ready to go to college because they played in your leagues, your clinics and your turns. Yeah, yeah. So that's my next business idea. [00:24:53] Speaker B: I actually know how to get that done. [00:24:55] Speaker A: What? [00:24:55] Speaker B: Yeah. You should be writing this down. [00:24:58] Speaker A: You surprise me every day. [00:25:00] Speaker B: I know. [00:25:00] Speaker A: We don't have to write it down. I just recorded it. [00:25:04] Speaker B: True. [00:25:05] Speaker A: You can just listen to our podcast and help us get to a thousand faster. [00:25:08] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. Of course. [00:25:10] Speaker A: We're on our way. We have. We didn't get that many listeners last week. [00:25:13] Speaker B: Well, and obviously we're recording a podcast, so that is a business idea. We could turn this into a business. [00:25:19] Speaker A: I think we're trying to sort of. [00:25:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it's more of a catalyst because we, you know, we want to be running tournaments and leaning leagues and stuff like that. But for us, it's also just fun. We just like doing. But there are plenty of videos on YouTube and other social media platforms that are looking at gathering you as a subscriber so they can earn money. [00:25:47] Speaker A: There are a lot of people that listen to podcasts like Zane and Thomas. They have the number one podcast. The dink is very popular. And I love the dink. I love to listen to it, and it actually causes me to go to other things that they do. So I love to watch the pros versus, you know, 50 s that Zane and his buddies usually do on. On Zane's channel. But I get to there because I hear about it on, you know, the dink. Right. That's a lot of business ideas. Any last ones you want to throw out real fast? Even if we don't talk about them? I have so many. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Well, are we going to do another one of these episodes? Are you going to share? You're just going to keep it all to yourself? [00:26:25] Speaker A: We could maybe do another one of these episodes, but I'll just shout out 20 of them real fast. You ready? [00:26:32] Speaker B: Okay, everybody get your papers. [00:26:33] Speaker A: Okay. Pickleball equipment rentals. [00:26:36] Speaker B: Oh, that's nice. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Mobile pickleball courts. Right. Social clubs, which already exist in leagues is a good business idea. It's already out there. It makes money. It's good travel tours already out there, but I think there's too few of them. Cassandra Gerkey has blown up her business on this. She does empower. Empower her. [00:26:54] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:54] Speaker A: Right. Because it's female turks. And I think pickleball facility management is starting to grow pretty fast. I think, like podcasting, but I think really a YouTube channel would be much more important to have than just a podcast. You and I need to convert to YouTube at some point. So I think court installation is a growing business. [00:27:12] Speaker B: It is. [00:27:12] Speaker A: And maintenance. I do think tech gadgets is smart. So I want to start seeing more like smart technology, like paddles that are smart. We have now got this app that you can put on your phone. I forget the name of it, but basically it can look at the lines and call shots in and out, all that kind of stuff. I think we're just scratching the surface on tech gadgets. Saw a pal the other day that you could unscrew the cap on and take a sip of liquor from the handle and put the cap back on. I think that you could build a pickleball health and wellness program. Not just have like a, what do you call it? Cardio fitness. Cardio pickleball, you know, event that you could build a whole wellness program around it. [00:27:50] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:27:51] Speaker A: I think you could do pickleball events planning. [00:27:53] Speaker B: Yeah, we're looking at that ourselves. [00:27:55] Speaker A: Yeah, somewhat. I think that there's an agency that could do connecting. So I love to connect people to things. Like, I'm working to connect Tim Oller's Meyer to a company that I think will sponsor him. I love that. So why not launch a whole agency that does that stuff? I mean, they exist, but I, you know, I think the sponsor sponsorship, advertising side is pretty awesome. I think a pickleball themed cafe or bar would go over. Okay. There's already chicken and pickles out there, so I think that there's a chance of doing something smaller. You and I used to go and play volleyball to plays, and the Bud light flowed freely. Like, it was like. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:29] Speaker A: When you got there, you ordered a picture of Bud light, and then as you were playing, you'd order another picture. [00:28:33] Speaker B: And it was sand volleyball. [00:28:34] Speaker A: It was sand volleyball. Okay. VR virtual reality training for pickleball. [00:28:39] Speaker B: Nice. [00:28:40] Speaker A: I think it would be awesome. So someone said to me once, hey, got really quick hands. Is there anything that you do to, like, practice that? And the answer is yes. I love to play on my oculus, that stupid beat saber game. [00:28:52] Speaker B: That's true. You do. [00:28:53] Speaker A: And those stupid things fly at you really fast. It causes you to like. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Anyway, makes me a little dizzy. [00:28:59] Speaker A: How about a pickleball themed escape room? [00:29:01] Speaker B: Ooh. [00:29:02] Speaker A: I mean, it's. It's kitschy, but you could do it once. All right. Pickleball adventure retreats, where you combine other activities with pickleball. So why not do a ropes course, hiking, yoga, water sports, whatever else? [00:29:13] Speaker B: Well, that's being done, too. [00:29:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, there's. It's mostly just pickleball, though. It's not combining other events. [00:29:20] Speaker B: Like, there's a trip to turks and caicos. There's. [00:29:23] Speaker A: Yes, but that's. [00:29:24] Speaker B: Put it on one of their ships. [00:29:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:26] Speaker B: Yep. [00:29:26] Speaker A: Sure. All right. Pickleball themed fitness classes. I think this is one that has not been tapped into. And you and I talked about this literally within maybe a month of us starting to play pickleball. [00:29:34] Speaker B: Right. [00:29:35] Speaker A: You were doing some sticks, drumsticks, exercises. [00:29:39] Speaker B: Fitness class. [00:29:40] Speaker A: Totally. And I was like, hey, wait a minute. I can do the same motions with my pickleball paddle. And it mimics getting low at the kitchen line, so I think there's something to be said there. I think you could do pop up events. So partner with a food truck and do a pop up pickle pickleball event somewhere. Like, we have fish fries here and dance fish fry. Everyone knows dance fish fry signs up every Friday. It's always a fundraiser, but it's at a different place every week. Why not do pickleball pop ups? That'd be fun. [00:30:06] Speaker B: That would be fun. [00:30:07] Speaker A: Okay. I think we could do. This one's a little cheesy. I don't know how to make money on it, but a pickleball storytelling night, because I have a great story from today that I'd love to tell. It's actually Danny Wilson's story. [00:30:19] Speaker B: Yeah, we talked about this. [00:30:20] Speaker A: He nasty Nelson to me. It was hysterical, and it was absolutely hysterical. That's true. [00:30:26] Speaker B: Kevin was goofing off. [00:30:28] Speaker A: I wasn't. I was doing penance because I didn't get down low enough. I wasn't using my knees. So as I was waiting for him to serve to you, I was forcing myself to do ten squats really fast, and I was on my 9th, and on my way up, he hit the ball right at me, and I was. [00:30:43] Speaker B: Like, he was tired of waiting. [00:30:44] Speaker A: Oh, it was. He wasn't even waiting on me. He just planned it out perfectly. I think he was waiting for the right moment. Okay. Pickleball themed scavenger hunts, pickleball subscription boxes. What you talked about pickleball documentary series. [00:30:57] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:58] Speaker A: Pickleball skill challenges. So now that's fine. Think about the NFL where, like, in the pro. After the. After the Super bowl, they have the pro event, right. Or whenever they have the pro event, whatever they call that. The Pro bowl. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. Yeah. [00:31:13] Speaker A: But they have all these activities. So, like, the quarterbacks have to throw to, like, a moving target that's got a hole in it. And if they get the big hole, they get 50 points. The smaller holes worth 100 points. Why not create a pickleball skill challenge? Right. Trick shots, accuracy tests. [00:31:25] Speaker B: That would be a fun fund. [00:31:26] Speaker A: It would be really fun. [00:31:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:28] Speaker A: All right. Pickleball photography business. [00:31:32] Speaker B: Definitely. There's people that have that for social media so bad. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Yeah. There's a guy named Steve Taylor who has that business. He's really good. Pickleball festivals, there's not enough of those. There's only, like, one or two. So there you go. What? I was at 20. I said I'd give you about 20. Whatever that was, I lost count. Folks, we love doing this, and we hope you enjoy it even a little bit as much as we do. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Please, like, share, talk about us. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Yeah, make fun of us. We don't care. Subscribe. [00:32:03] Speaker B: Also, you offered. We still haven't reached our. [00:32:06] Speaker A: We haven't had a thousand listens yet. [00:32:07] Speaker B: Yep. [00:32:08] Speaker A: Will probably happen in July. [00:32:10] Speaker B: Definitely. [00:32:10] Speaker A: And I mean, I won't say definitely. People may turn on us? You never know. [00:32:14] Speaker B: I hope not. [00:32:15] Speaker A: No, I don't think they'll turn on us, but they may not turn us on. [00:32:20] Speaker B: Wow, you're full of pens tonight. 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